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I think abortion should be taught during school sex-ed.

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It is a viable means of birth control and there is nothing wrong with it. Frankly, I wish there were more abortions. It would combat the overpopulation problem.
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BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#3
Mikablu posted...
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It isnt bait if it is true.
you could at least try
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BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#5
Dragonblade01 posted...
you could at least try


I would definitely try to have an abortion, but I am not pregnant yet.
chill02 1 day ago#6
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Ave, true to Caesar.
Zikten 1 day ago#7
BaronessaRolab posted...
and there is nothing wrong with it.


other people disagree

BaronessaRolab posted...
wish there were more abortions. It would combat the overpopulation problem.


the US already is having a population decline. not as bad as Japan but we aren't booming anymore
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BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#9
Zikten posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...
and there is nothing wrong with it.


other people disagree

BaronessaRolab posted...
wish there were more abortions. It would combat the overpopulation problem.


the US already is having a population decline. not as bad as Japan but we aren't booming anymore


1. Thats nice, but their opinions are irrational and based in bronze-age mythology (and therefore should be ignored)
2. Good.
BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#10
chill02 posted...
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Yes, this is my new alt (with almost the exact same name as my main). Your point?
Sinroth 1 day ago#11
BaronessaRolab posted...
1. Thats nice, but their opinions are irrational and based in bronze-age mythology (and therefore should be ignored)


The pro-life case isn't necessarily a religious one.
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BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#12
Sinroth posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...
1. Thats nice, but their opinions are irrational and based in bronze-age mythology (and therefore should be ignored)


The pro-life case isn't necessarily a religious one.


Their are either religious or completely illiterate when it comes to biology. Frankly, the latter makes them even more laughable.
Sinroth 1 day ago#13
BaronessaRolab posted...
Sinroth posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...
1. Thats nice, but their opinions are irrational and based in bronze-age mythology (and therefore should be ignored)


The pro-life case isn't necessarily a religious one.


Their are either religious or completely illiterate when it comes to biology. Frankly, the latter makes them even more laughable.


The question of whether a foetus is deserving of moral consideration is a philosophical one. It is not inherently religious or scientific.
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Tmaster148 1 day ago#14
I don't think sex ed needs to go as far as to cover abortion as abortion is something decided after sex rather than something you plan beforehand. Sex ed should stick to teaching about sex and include birth control & contraceptives.
BaronessaRolab posted...
chill02 posted...
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Yes, this is my new alt (with almost the exact same name as my main). Your point?


You don't have the balls to put your main on the line. You knew full well this was a highly volatile subject but chose an alt instead of putting your main on the line. It's cowardice and deserves no respect.
nativengine posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...
chill02 posted...
New User User Since: Aug 2017Karma: 3


Yes, this is my new alt (with almost the exact same name as my main). Your point?


You don't have the balls to put your main on the line. You knew full well this was a highly volatile subject but chose an alt instead of putting your main on the line. It's cowardice and deserves no respect.


Given the username, this is probably @CountessRolab
I would teach them all there is to know about abortions so that they can all make a true fully informed decision if the need ever arose.
Hmm...
BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#18
Sinroth posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...
Sinroth posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...
1. Thats nice, but their opinions are irrational and based in bronze-age mythology (and therefore should be ignored)


The pro-life case isn't necessarily a religious one.


Their are either religious or completely illiterate when it comes to biology. Frankly, the latter makes them even more laughable.


The question of whether a foetus is deserving of moral consideration is a philosophical one. It is not inherently religious or scientific.


No, it is biological. A fetus is an un-feeling cluster of cells, and personifying it is a laughable concept.

nativengine posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...
chill02 posted...
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Yes, this is my new alt (with almost the exact same name as my main). Your point?


You don't have the balls to put your main on the line. You knew full well this was a highly volatile subject but chose an alt instead of putting your main on the line. It's cowardice and deserves no respect.


lol grow up.
BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#19
CrimsonRage posted...
nativengine posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...
chill02 posted...
New User User Since: Aug 2017Karma: 3


Yes, this is my new alt (with almost the exact same name as my main). Your point?


You don't have the balls to put your main on the line. You knew full well this was a highly volatile subject but chose an alt instead of putting your main on the line. It's cowardice and deserves no respect.


Given the username, this is probably @CountessRolab


no s***.
Sinroth 1 day ago#20
BaronessaRolab posted...
No, it is biological. A fetus is an un-feeling cluster of cells, and personifying it is a laughable concept.


That is a philosophical argument. This is saying that being an unfeeling cluster of cells is sufficient grounds to say you aren't worthy of moral considerations. It also needs more nuance. Flowers and animals and so on are feeling clusters of cells, yet clearly don't have the same moral considerations as humans. A full explication of why this specific characteristic is sufficient to justify abortion goes well beyond mere biology.
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nothing wrong with tc's statement
_Near_ 1 day ago#22
Agreed, TC. Students need to be made aware of this option.
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I honestly think so as well, though more emphasis on safe sex.
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$500 isn't really "viable" at all.
Tmaster148 1 day ago#25
Questionmarktarius posted...
$500 isn't really "viable" at all.


Certainly is much cheaper than having the child.
_Near_ 1 day ago#26
Questionmarktarius posted...
$500 isn't really "viable" at all.


compared to raising a child? lmfao
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BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#27
Sinroth posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...
No, it is biological. A fetus is an un-feeling cluster of cells, and personifying it is a laughable concept.


That is a philosophical argument. This is saying that being an unfeeling cluster of cells is sufficient grounds to say you aren't worthy of moral considerations. It also needs more nuance. Flowers and animals and so on are feeling clusters of cells, yet clearly don't have the same moral considerations as humans. A full explication of why this specific characteristic is sufficient to justify abortion goes well beyond mere biology.


It is literally a blob of cells. Sure, you can argue it has rights, but you can also argue a plant has rights. You can argue anything, but that doesnt make your argument coherent or valid.
Sinroth 1 day ago#28
BaronessaRolab posted...
Sinroth posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...
No, it is biological. A fetus is an un-feeling cluster of cells, and personifying it is a laughable concept.


That is a philosophical argument. This is saying that being an unfeeling cluster of cells is sufficient grounds to say you aren't worthy of moral considerations. It also needs more nuance. Flowers and animals and so on are feeling clusters of cells, yet clearly don't have the same moral considerations as humans. A full explication of why this specific characteristic is sufficient to justify abortion goes well beyond mere biology.


It is literally a blob of cells. Sure, you can argue it has rights, but you can also argue a plant has rights. You can argue anything, but that doesnt make your argument coherent or valid.


But by saying that certain characteristics qualify or disqualify you from having certain moral rights, you are making a philosophical argument.
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BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#29
Sinroth posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...
Sinroth posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...
No, it is biological. A fetus is an un-feeling cluster of cells, and personifying it is a laughable concept.


That is a philosophical argument. This is saying that being an unfeeling cluster of cells is sufficient grounds to say you aren't worthy of moral considerations. It also needs more nuance. Flowers and animals and so on are feeling clusters of cells, yet clearly don't have the same moral considerations as humans. A full explication of why this specific characteristic is sufficient to justify abortion goes well beyond mere biology.


It is literally a blob of cells. Sure, you can argue it has rights, but you can also argue a plant has rights. You can argue anything, but that doesnt make your argument coherent or valid.


But by saying that certain characteristics qualify or disqualify you from having certain moral rights, you are making a philosophical argument.


Ok, whatever.
Milkman5 1 day ago#30
BaronessaRolab posted...
Frankly, I wish there were more abortions. It would combat the overpopulation problem.

The birth rate is plummeting in the United States. More people are dying than being born. This is the case for Europe, Japan, America and so on.

Overpopulation is a myth and every country that actively gets abortions is not one that is overpopulated.
most people on CE support it to disgusting extents, most people on this board also agree with the OP
BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#32
Milkman5 posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...
Frankly, I wish there were more abortions. It would combat the overpopulation problem.

The birth rate is plummeting in the United States. More people are dying than being born. This is the case for Europe, Japan, America and so on.


Good.
I4NRulez 1 day ago#33
Abortion is NOT a viable option for birth control.

Its supposed to be a last ditch option for people. Teaching kids about proper contraceptives and sex ed often keeps abortion numbers low since kids and people know how to prevent pregnancies
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Milkman5 1 day ago#34
It's only good if you don't like those Countries. A country with a large elderly population and a small young workforce is a recipe for disaster.
It's the main reason everyone our age won't get social security, because there were more baby boomers than millennials and that trend will only continue.

The UN has even come up with solutions which is to erode and destroy Japan and Europe etc with Islamists and Islamic labor. You can read about it on their website lmao
BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#35
I4NRulez posted...
Abortion is NOT a viable option for birth control.

Its supposed to be a last ditch option for people. Teaching kids about proper contraceptives and sex ed often keeps abortion numbers low since kids and people know how to prevent pregnancies


I think it should be the first option.
BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#36
Milkman5 posted...

The UN has even come up with solutions which is to erode and destroy Japan and Europe etc with Islamists and Islamic labor. You can read about it on their website lmao


You dropped your tinfoil hat.
BaronessaRolab posted...
I4NRulez posted...
Abortion is NOT a viable option for birth control.

Its supposed to be a last ditch option for people. Teaching kids about proper contraceptives and sex ed often keeps abortion numbers low since kids and people know how to prevent pregnancies


I think it should be the first option.


f***in' incompetent statement. The first option LOL?!!! 

Ideally, the first option would be to attempt proper protection. An abortion is a hassle, not as much hassle as having a kid, mind you, but it would be much more efficient to use a condom, and therefor lessen the probability of having to go to a clinic to get the abortion.

I don't oppose abortion, so don't get that dumb f*** idea. In nearly ALL cases, I fully support and champion abortion. THE ONLY time I oppose it, is if the mother waits till she's, like, 6 months pregnant, and then decides to abort. But that never happens, so not really even worth mentioning.
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BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#38
Dyinglegacy posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...
I4NRulez posted...
Abortion is NOT a viable option for birth control.

Its supposed to be a last ditch option for people. Teaching kids about proper contraceptives and sex ed often keeps abortion numbers low since kids and people know how to prevent pregnancies


I think it should be the first option.


f***in' incompetent statement. The first option LOL?!!! 

Ideally, the first option would be to attempt proper protection. An abortion is a hassle, not as much hassle as having a kid, mind you, but it would be much more efficient to use a condom, and therefor lessen the probability of having to go to a clinic to get the abortion.

I don't oppose abortion, so don't get that dumb f*** idea. In nearly ALL cases, I fully support and champion abortion. THE ONLY time I oppose it, is if the mother waits till she's, like, 6 months pregnant, and then decides to abort. But that never happens, so not really even worth mentioning.


Abortion is good for the soul.
Hey, whatever you say.
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Every living thing is a cluster of cells if you want to get down to it.

It's not a valid argument for abortion.
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UncleBourbon33 posted...
Every living thing is a cluster of cells if you want to get down to it.

It's not a valid argument for abortion.


It's a circle argument. 

I think the difference is that a fetus isn't sentient. Yes, it's alive, and yes it is sentient potential. However, it's not there yet. 

You either agree with abortion, or you don't. I probably wouldn't do it myself, unless there was some sort of severe birth anomaly detected (see cyclopia), but I wouldn't stop someone else from doing it.
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BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#42
Dyinglegacy posted...
Hey, whatever you say.


Abortion is one of those things that everyone should experience at least once.

UncleBourbon33 posted...
Every living thing is a cluster of cells if you want to get down to it.

It's not a valid argument for abortion.


Ok, fine. A fetus is a cluster of cells without a bran and is incapable of thought or feeling pain. I didnt realize I had to spell it out for you like that.
Sinroth 1 day ago#43
Dyinglegacy posted...

I think the difference is that a fetus isn't sentient. Yes, it's alive, and yes it is sentient potential. However, it's not there yet. 


Sentience is quite vague though. What characteristics make you sentient?

BaronessaRolab posted...

Ok, fine. A fetus is a cluster of cells without a bran and is incapable of thought or feeling pain. I didnt realize I had to spell it out for you like that.


Is it OK to kill people with congenital analgesia? Is it OK to kill people asleep or in a coma, so long as you do it quickly so they don't feel it?
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BaronessaRolab posted...
cluster of cells without a bran and is incapable of thought or feeling pain.

That describes most people.
Ad Hominem.
BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#45
Sinroth posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...

I think the difference is that a fetus isn't sentient. Yes, it's alive, and yes it is sentient potential. However, it's not there yet. 


Sentience is quite vague though. What characteristics make you sentient?

BaronessaRolab posted...

Ok, fine. A fetus is a cluster of cells without a bran and is incapable of thought or feeling pain. I didnt realize I had to spell it out for you like that.


Is it OK to kill people with congenital analgesia? Is it OK to kill people asleep or in a coma, so long as you do it quickly so they don't feel it?


A fetus isnt a person,, so your argument is invalid.
Sinroth 1 day ago#46
BaronessaRolab posted...


A fetus isnt a person,, so your argument is invalid.


If your argument against the moral personhood of a foetus is that it can't feel pain, then you can apply the same reasoning to conclude that human beings in comas and human beings with congenital analgesia also lack moral personhood.
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BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#47
Sinroth posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...


A fetus isnt a person,, so your argument is invalid.


If your argument against the moral personhood of a foetus is that it can't feel pain, then you can apply the same reasoning to conclude that human beings in comas and human beings with congenital analgesia also lack moral personhood.


Has ever had a human brain = a human
Has never had a human brain = not a human

Jesus Christ. lmao
Sinroth 1 day ago#48
BaronessaRolab posted...
Sinroth posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...


A fetus isnt a person,, so your argument is invalid.


If your argument against the moral personhood of a foetus is that it can't feel pain, then you can apply the same reasoning to conclude that human beings in comas and human beings with congenital analgesia also lack moral personhood.


Has ever had a human brain = a human
Has never had a human brain = not a human

Jesus Christ. lmao


Your argument has changed now. Initially it was "able to feel pain", but now it is "has ever had a human brain".

Are you now talking about being human, or being a moral person? Because a foetus is unequivocally human, but what we're debating is whether or not a foetus qualifies as a moral person.

A corpse has had a human brain. Does that mean it is deserving of the same protections as a full-grown human? A corpse has less human functionality, present or future, than a foetus.
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BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#49
Sinroth posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...
Sinroth posted...
BaronessaRolab posted...


A fetus isnt a person,, so your argument is invalid.


If your argument against the moral personhood of a foetus is that it can't feel pain, then you can apply the same reasoning to conclude that human beings in comas and human beings with congenital analgesia also lack moral personhood.


Has ever had a human brain = a human
Has never had a human brain = not a human

Jesus Christ. lmao


Your argument has changed now. Initially it was "able to feel pain", but now it is "has ever had a human brain".

Are you now talking about being human, or being a moral person? Because a foetus is unequivocally human, but what we're debating is whether or not a foetus qualifies as a moral person.

A corpse has had a human brain. Does that mean it is deserving of the same protections as a full-grown human? A corpse has less human functionality, present or future, than a foetus.


I didnt read your post, but you are making this way more complicated than it is.
Waluigi7 1 day ago#50
Milkman5 posted...
It's only good if you don't like those Countries. A country with a large elderly population and a small young workforce is a recipe for disaster.
It's the main reason everyone our age won't get social security, because there were more baby boomers than millennials and that trend will only continue.

The UN has even come up with solutions which is to erode and destroy Japan and Europe etc with Islamists and Islamic labor. You can read about it on their website lmao

Bro, if you want people to stop calling you a conservative you should stop making s***posts like this.
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    Sinroth 1 day ago#51
    BaronessaRolab posted...
    Sinroth posted...
    BaronessaRolab posted...
    Sinroth posted...
    BaronessaRolab posted...


    A fetus isnt a person,, so your argument is invalid.


    If your argument against the moral personhood of a foetus is that it can't feel pain, then you can apply the same reasoning to conclude that human beings in comas and human beings with congenital analgesia also lack moral personhood.


    Has ever had a human brain = a human
    Has never had a human brain = not a human

    Jesus Christ. lmao


    Your argument has changed now. Initially it was "able to feel pain", but now it is "has ever had a human brain".

    Are you now talking about being human, or being a moral person? Because a foetus is unequivocally human, but what we're debating is whether or not a foetus qualifies as a moral person.

    A corpse has had a human brain. Does that mean it is deserving of the same protections as a full-grown human? A corpse has less human functionality, present or future, than a foetus.


    I didnt read your post, but you are making this way more complicated than it is.


    It's a pretty short (and simple, I think) post, but if you don't want to respond to it then that's algood.

    Your argument supporting abortion changed between posts, so I just asked some simple follow ups to clarify what you meant.
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    The pro abortion argument more or less boils down to "my body, my choice.". Despite the pseudo intellectual ravings, that's really the nitty gritty of it.

    If it's in a woman's body, then she has the say, and that's that.

    The "it's not a person" argument is irrelevant. You can lawyer your way around that debate, and corner someone who has that stance. Where as "My body, my choice" is a bit more difficult to challenge.
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    USANumber1 1 day ago#53
    They should teach home abortion methods in school and they should invent time travel and they should persue a combination of these things that result in you not existing.
    Sinroth 1 day ago#54
    Dyinglegacy posted...
    The pro abortion argument more or less boils down to "my body, my choice.". Despite the pseudo intellectual ravings, that's really the nitty gritty of it.

    If it's in a woman's body, then she has the say, and that's that.

    The "it's not a person" argument is irrelevant. You can lawyer your way around that debate, and corner someone who has that stance. Where as "My body, my choice" is a bit more difficult.


    I think it's relevant, because if two rights come into conflict we have to weigh up which takes precedence. If we hypothetically agreed that a foetus has moral personhood, it seems fair to call life a more essential right than bodily autonomy. It's much harder to make a sound pro-choice argument when you acknowledge that the foetus is a person with all the rights we endow people.

    On the other hand, if a foetus is definitely not a person, then there's no real question; the situation permits abortion.
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    I severely doubt a staunch pro choice person would accept, or give a s***, if the personhood of a fetus were somehow proven.

    People don't want their life to be put on pause because of a pregnancy.
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    BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#56
    Dyinglegacy posted...
    I severely doubt a staunch pro choice person would accept, or give a s***, if the personhood of a fetus were somehow proven.


    good thing it never will be because it is physically impossible
    Sinroth 1 day ago#57
    Dyinglegacy posted...
    I severely doubt a staunch pro choice person would accept, or give a s***, if the personhood of a fetus were somehow proven.

    People don't want their life to be put on pause because of a pregnancy.


    Right, but the argument that "we should allow abortions because it would be convenient for me and I don't know or care if the foetus is a person" holds far less currency than "we should allow abortions because a foetus is probably/definitely not a person and I have a right to my body". Something like the second is really what any credible pro-choice argument needs to establish.
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    Zikten 1 day ago#58
    Dyinglegacy posted...
    People don't want their life to be put on pause because of a pregnancy.


    I think most would think twice though, if it was possible to show them an image of the child when it grows up, like how in One More Day, Spiderman was shown his future daughter that would never be born due to the deal with the devil to save Aunt May
    I don't presume to know what's possible or impossible.
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    Medz1206 1 day ago#60
    might as well show a video of it happening
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    BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#61
    Dyinglegacy posted...
    I don't presume to know what's possible or impossible.


    I do.
    BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#62
    Medz1206 posted...
    might as well show a video of it happening


    Only if they also show a live birth video too
    I'm pro choice, but moderately so. I suppose champion was the incorrect word to use. I don't go around with signs, nor do I subscribe to pro choice marches.

    I'm not gonna shut someone down who wants an abortion. If they do it in the first few weeks or so, I don't see a problem.

    If they wait till all it's organs are fully formed, brain included, then I want no part in it. At that point, it's practically a person, so may as well have the damn thing. If she really doesn't want it, put it up for adoption.

    People are gonna do whatever they do, though, so f*** it.
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    BaronessaRolab posted...
    Dyinglegacy posted...
    I don't presume to know what's possible or impossible.


    I do.


    Good for you.
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    BaronessaRolab 1 day ago#65
    Dyinglegacy posted...
    BaronessaRolab posted...
    Dyinglegacy posted...
    I don't presume to know what's possible or impossible.


    I do.


    Good for you.


    thx
    BaronessaRolab 14 hours ago#66
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